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Are You Around Careless Facebook Users?

Posted by envirostats on Sunday, December 7, 2008

I’ve written a series of posts recently on Facebook etiquette (or Netiquette) that users might want to pay attention to in order to keep themselves out of trouble or limiting their potential for jobs, scholarships and so on (short Practical Guide; details in Part 1, Part 2, Part 3,). If you’re a Facebook user, maybe you’ve learned or maybe you’ve never needed to learn because you’ve been careful.

However, the other potential for damage related to Facebook presence is that just by being around careless, or intentionally malicious, Facebook users, you could get yourself in trouble, whether or not you even use Facebook!

Think about that statement for a few seconds, because this is going to ultimately affect pretty much everyone given how many Facebook users there are in most countries around the world, but especially North America where it is so prevalent, spread all around rather than just isolated in any regions. It is also the far more difficult thing to avoid because you are not taking the action, and could be drunk or just not paying attention, so it’s not as obvious to you.

You are constantly going to have to be aware of your actions in public now as if you are a superstar or media figure. It’d be on a smaller scale cause you might not be on People’s magazine or the National Examiner, likely, but if it potentially affects you on the job, or keep you from getting one, or a scholarship for students who are most prone to all this stuff, it’s going to be a lot worse to your life than an appearance on a national magazine. So if you’re one of these people who want to be like a star, this is one very good reason you can do that. Just act like a good superstar, careful of what you say, but especially what you do that might be caught in photos or videos from anything like cell phones or video cameras, from your friends’ parties to public concerts where people are recording for YouTube sharing. I realize this is a lot harder to do when you’re drunk, but if you keep it on your mind, you might remember every now and then.  And if you doubt what I’m saying about the superstar approach, don’t ever go around thinking you’re not significant enough to ignore it. Sure, you might not be Sean Avery or Britney Spears where people are hanging on your every word and/or action, but to the people possibly hiring you, working with you, or potentially offering you scholarships, you certainly are and they will be hanging on everything you do, especially big corporations and institutions who have something to protect but also have resources to screen your on-line or Facebook presence!

Now, I know teachers who are very wary of this sort of thing because they know their young students are out there on Facebook and in the world with their cameras, and would love to see their teachers doing something inappropriate, whether to see the teacher out of his/her shell or to use it for a joke and to get at the teacher for something. However, even the very best of those who are constantly in the media spotlight, whose job involves the media, forget about this, and that’s why I’m posting this with emphasis.

Just the other day, Jon Favreau, who was  Barack Obama’s chief speechwriter for his campaign season and who likely has some future White House speechwriting role for Obama now that he is President, was in a photo at a party where he posed with his hand grabbing the breast of a life sized cardboard cut out of Senator Hillary Clinton (CNN, Dec 6 2008). To make things worse, it seemed he was the one who posted the photo, even though he’s in it so maybe it was his camera, but maybe it was someone else’s. The article was not clear on that. While Favreau took off the photo just 2 hours after posting, it was reported, and every other photo of himself except his profile, you should also know what’s on Facebook is Facebook property forever so there was no taking it back!

You did know that, right?

Hmm. I’m having doubts on that one. It’s an old topic but maybe I’ll post something about it to tie it into another idea I had. Regardless, you’d best be careful, even the photos you currently have on Facebook even now if you have stardom aspiration of any form, whether as a movie or music star, politician, serial killer or otherwise. Not to worry about Facebook digging up stuff on you cause that’s probably malicious intent you can sue them for, but if it’s there and someone identifies you, copies it to send to media, it’s not Facebook’s fault any more!

So beware of those careless Facebook users around you, whether or not you use Facebook!

Oh, as for Favreau, he did apologize to Senator Hillary Clinton, who has acknowledged his interest in working for the State Department but is still reviewing his application. Hmmm. This should be interesting. Even if he were hired, there are still going to be some awkward moments, I think, especially if she is his boss or client, as in having him write some speeches for her on certain topics every now and then. Let’s see what happens.


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Institutional Banning of Facebook

Posted by envirostats on Thursday, December 4, 2008

In Canada, the public service and political provincial government of Ontario did it (May 3 2007). The University of Concordia did it (Sep 17 2008). Most recently, the public school system in New Brunswick did it (Nov 21 2008). No, they didn’t fall in love, but rather banned of Facebook so that all of their computers cannot access Facebook.

What do I think of it?

From the institutions’ perspective, sure, why not? All it begets you is computer problems (Koobface virus is the rage at time of posting, Globe & Mail Dec 5 2008), potential wasted staff/student time, the occasional public relations nightmare by your staff/student’s Facebook actions, maybe the odd stalker incident that challenges your security responsiblities, maybe organized protests to tarnish your name or even against you, and who knows what else as the technology develops and people use it in new ways. Given all that, why wouldn’t you ban Facebook?

There is some good that can come from Facebook, but it’s not like you get credit for it cause it’s your staff/students doing it, and unless they were paid to do it, even a good thing can be criticized for time that might or should have been spent doing something else… like their paid work for organizations like government? Government doesn’t need reinforcing of stereotypes about their work ethic, which is wrong for the most part, speaking as an insider.

As for some services you might cut off in banning Facebook, it’s not like your staff’s or students’ lives would be really affected by not having Facebook for a few hours a day. That would be your own disillusion of self-importance. There are other means to get around anything that might be that urgently needed that might be really needed via Facebook.

All and all, there isn’t really a lot of good that an institution can get from allowing Facebook usage on their computers.

Now, as for the user’s claim for freedom of access, information and such, there’s one easy rebuttal to that. It’s not their computer, network, bandwidth or anything like that, so they can shush, to put it politely. Maybe if they were willing to be monitored for time spent, both how much and when, pay for IT services incurred by problems they bring in like Facebook viruses, and so on, then perhaps we can have a discussion. However, I doubt they’d agree to that. Besides, this institutional banning only affects the institution’s computers. All their staff/students can still access Facebook on their computers and some cell phones, so long as they are not using the institution’s networks. It’s not a zone out.

So given these views, do I think Facebook should be banned institutionally?

Surprisingly, my answer is not necessarily, although it borders on the obvious because of proactivity rather than reactivity. You know, the proverbial prevention being better than a cure. However, some might argue that until signs of a problem start showing up, maybe there is no need to do anything about it. It’s not the way I would handle this policy with Facebook problems popping up everywhere of the kinds mentioned since I only gave examples I knew happened. That’s why I had posted my Facebook etiquette posts starting about a month ago. However, I could appreciate the argument, and I’ll leave it at that. Decisions to institutionally ban Facebook would not be popular, but fortunately, I’m nowhere near in the position to make such a decision… just blog about it.


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A Practical Facebook Etiquette (Netiquette) Guide

Posted by envirostats on Sunday, November 9, 2008

A Practical Facebook Etiquette Guide

A Practical Facebook Etiquette Guide

For a printable version of these guideline text in this post, please click on the PDF link below to download.

A Practical Facebook Netiquette Guide, by Minh Tan [23 kB PDF] (last updated Nov 19 2008)

For additional and more comprehensive content on the topics within this post, please see My Facebook Etiquette posts, Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and A Detailed Facebook Etiquette Guide. Additionally, avoid potential Facebook trouble when around careless Facebook users.

This document is now also available in Spanish. Many thanks to David Iza for translating!

This post was noted the blog of Regina Lewis of the Do-It-Yourself Network on Nov 19, 2008.



On-line presence profiling, especially on-line social networking with Facebook, is becoming more common as schools and employers screen potential employees and scholarship recipients in yet one more category in their selection processes. This is especially important for teenagers and students who are often too casual in their on-line social networking, with emphasis on Facebook as a dominant player in the market.

This is a practical guide of Facebook etiquette, or “Netiquette”, you can use to customize your Facebook Netiquette. As you read it, check off what you agree, note where and how you want to differ, then create your Facebook Netiquette by writing or typing out all the new guidelines to help you remember them. Put it somewhere easily accessible and/or visible to you for easy reference as you Facebook. Doing this in a group with your friends and/or Parents might also be effective.

Overall Tone
Avoid negativity, especially with feelings and anything about other people

No swearing, even if positively and abbreviated like LMFAO (or not excessively if you do)

Learn to say NO to invitations (Friends, Applications, Groups, certain events not good to publicize)

Do as little as possible, preferably not at all, not the least because poking is so “old school”

Profile Privacy
Set your profile to Only Friends privacy, giving nobody limited access as they should not be your Friend

Only have Friends you’ve met in person, and purge your list a few times a year as friendships fade

Have people in front of whom you need to behave among your Facebook friends as “designated monitors”

Contact Information
Do not list personal contact information (ex. address, phone #, birth year, specific job locations like store)

Don’t update your status more than a few times a day, avoiding statuses directed at one or few people

Defend your Wall by deleting inappropriate comments or counter with reply if you don’t want to delete

Keep tagged photos of yourself under 200, untag the less flattering and inappropriate ones

Minimize tagging to let people tag themselves in photos, and don’t tag anyone in unflattering ways

Use Notes to share something genuine, avoiding personal attacks, “self-surveys” and diatribes

Be selective where you comments, expecting it to be public and what you comment for proper manners

Post Privacy
Control privacy setting each time you post something, sharing Only with Friends most of the time

Minimize Notifications sent, turning off for Applications when adding unless their news are worth sharing

Minimize Applications, especially inappropriate ones, games that waste time, or ones with few users

Groups & Fan Pages
Check details of Groups and Fan Pages before you join, especially for authenticity (ex. authorized pages)

Media/Legal Privacy
Don’t start, join or invite others to groups or pages with news or names withheld by media or law, until after release

Damage Control
Go through your profile and make adjustments to make your profile suit your Netiquette rules, bit by bit

Profile Impression
Occasionally, ask someone for an honest impression they get from your profile and fix it till you’re happy

If you do “inappropriate” things on Facebook, come back and delete it later to minimize visibility & damage

Purging to Update
Purge things a few times a year (ex. bad or outdated photos, Friends, Groups, Fan Pages, Notes, comments)

Don’t get caught up in other people’s inappropriate behaviour, stick to your Netiquette & update it as needed

Overall Approach
Treat your Facebook profile & activity like an informal resumé or media image of yourself, cause it is!

Please share with all you know who Facebook and check this link for periodic updates.


Please feel free to leave comments and I will do my best to give an answer.

Facebook in Real Life

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PPV, as in Pay per Vote

Posted by envirostats on Saturday, November 8, 2008

The figures in for the recent American Presidential election that record number of voters did turn out, somewhere between 126.5 to 128.5 million compared to 122.2 million in 2004, but that the voter turnout rate was only 60.7 to 61.7 percent, far short of the 67.0% record of 1960. That is not much better than the 58% turnout recently seen in Canada in our October 2008 federal election despite far shorter and far less illustrious campaigns. So how can voter turnout be improved? Well, I’ll answer that in a near future entry but for now, I want to discuss one approach that I have heard tossed around, and that is equal monetary compensation for each vote, something a $5 or $10 tax rebate for each voter. There are several different issues to discuss related to this issue so I will take them one at a time.

The first issue is the moral issue, if it were right to provide monetary (or other material) incentive to get someone to vote. It certainly makes it far less noble than you caring enough about your government to go express your right as a citizen to vote. However, it is not like it is a large amount of money. It’s almost an insult to the value of your time, if you think about it, how long it takes you to go and vote. It’d be far less than minimum wage! And it is equal towards everyone. Because of these two factors, I am actually OK with it, but I know many others who would not be.

The second issue is a social issue of the money drawing uninformed voters looking for a buck. I can see the homeless right now looking for easy money while being a challenge to the voter registry. Of course, the homeless would be a negligible demographic blip among all the potential voters, but there could be many more who would vote for the price of a free drink or two, being very uninformed about who they might be voting for out of apathy for politics that might have kept them away from voting had it not been for the money. To this, I would say I have enough faith in people that if they were to cast a vote, they would not choose totally at random. So long as it is not random, ironically, I’d worry about it being an uninformed choice. After all, they have a 1 in 2 or 3 chance of being equally correct as any informed voter who foolishly believes they are informed enough to understand all the issues. Because most people can really only grasp a handful of issues of concern to them, without knowing how everything else being proposed by a candidate or party fits around those issues, I’d almost rather the uninformed voter vote uninformed, randomly, rather checking a box for a reason cause random support would at least distribute their votes evenly when many of them vote. Still, I don’t buy the uninformed voter being ill-suited to vote. Voting is a right and everybody gets one, whether you’re rich or poor, black or white (or of other race), smart or stupid, informed or uninformed.

The third issue is economic. At $5 or $10 a person, that’s a big price tag when you’re talking about a million or hundred million voters, and one that wouldn’t motivate a lot of people all that much.

Since I don’t have a problem with a little monetary incentive for votes, let me propose a better solution. A psychological solution rather than what is like a regulatory solution. What I propose is something more along the lines of $1 or $2 in value, and not even from government coffers.

Let’s start with the option of the money being from government coffers, pool the value per vote into a few grand prizes per riding, seat or whatever political division can spread it around a bit. For example, if you got 10,000 votes cast in a riding for a small election, divide it by 6 and make prizes in a 3:2:1 ratio that first prize is $5000, second is $3333.33 and third is $1,666.67 and have a democratic lottery of one chance to win per vote. My argument is that if you’re going to use money, you’d get more people to vote if you had it as chances to win a large prize rather than insult them with $5 or $10 apiece for their time and effort… and you’d save money while at it! And you don’t need to make the prizes that big to be effective, like $1 million in one state prize. After all, it is free to play, and nobody can have more chances to win than anybody else, so a $500 prize among 2,000 people in the state should do well to make a lot of people happy and want to try to win on shorter odds than a one in a million shot at one million. The money would be out of government coffers, by the way, not political party coffers, so that no matter who gets elected, the same payout get made.

Better yet, get all those corporate supporters to donate prizes. It shouldn’t matter who they support because voters of any party can win the prize, but man, wouldn’t it be good advertising if somebody got a car because they voted and bragged about it to their friends for as long as they owned it? Media coverage of the winners somewhere could also be easily arranged for more free advertising.

That’s my best offer.

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My Facebook Etiquette, Part 3 of 3

Posted by envirostats on Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Get the free one page Practical Facebook Netiquette Guide by the author that summarizes the most impacting behaviours from this and related posts, for discussion with friends, kids or Parents to formulate your own Facebook etiquette. Additionally, avoid potential Facebook trouble when around careless Facebook users.

In my final installment of my Facebook etiquette, I cover behaviour associated with some more “behind the scenes” features and/or features that can harm you just by association, whether or not it is fair. You don’t get to decide whether or not it is fair in the eyes of others, but you can influence whether or not it appears in the eyes of others to judge. But because the harm can be done indirectly by association, or because it isn’t necessarily so high profile to remind you of what you might be doing, they are easier to forget and misbehave.


Staying out of “inappropriate” or “suggestive” photo is probably not hard to convince people about. Defining what is inappropriate or suggestive is harder, although I’m willing to agree with the most “obvious” definitions of offensive gestures, nudity, inappropriate touching, etc. But that stuff is the “little” stuff and having a little fun is fine. I’d be more worried about photos that can suggest something about your lifestyle that might affect your abilities on the job, like a public servant with politicians or multiple pictures of you drunk to the point of puking. Sure, what you do in your own time is your business, but how would the public service know with confidence you can keep your partisanship off the job, for example? Or your employer know that you are not hung over more than two mornings a week(namely weekend mornings) so that you don’t turn up hung over at work in less than expected capacity to do normal work? As unprofessional as drawing these possible connections might be until the proof is there, the fact is people do it and will act upon it. It’s the same behaviour that promotes discrimination of all types, from race to gender to economic, social, religious, sexual orientation and other backgrounds. You make ridiculous connections and assumptions and act upon it in ways with significant consequence.

Notes (and “survey” notes)

Notes are a nice way to demonstrate some of your thoughts and writing skills, if used well, but I seem to see lots of diatribes and stupid survey “notes” of disconnected and meaningless information. Diatribes don’t portray you well, and survey notes contain good quirky information to build “character” for identity theft surveys. Sure, your birth date can easily be found and “stolen”, but knowing your last dead cat and current dog names really makes someone seem real. Possibly more damaging in a more direct personal way are these surveys that ask explicit questions. I understand why people find them fun, but there is a difference to share results with your real life friends and everybody in your Facebook friends list, if not the public. For any number of reasons I find these surveys annoying, they are the main reason I’ve cited to limit profile newsfeeds from others.

Some people use the Notes feature as a sort of journal, which is fine, if it’s not a journal you’d normally keep in a trunk or out of sight somewhere. I’d only keep it as a journal if I wish it were to become a book I’d publish one day because as public as Notes are, even if only to all your Facebook friends, it is basically a book you’re publishing (or article or whatever). When I “journal” using my notes, it is totally meant for public consumption to the point that I’d want you all to read it rather than just maybe a few of my friends. I don’t sit and hope all of my friends would read it, of course, as it is more my record than anybody else’s, but it’s my public record to share, not my personal record.


Tagging is basically a way of drawing attention to whoever is tagged, and that’s how you should think about it. In that sense, the do unto others as you would have others do unto you rule works well as a first step. Try putting yourself in the shoes of someone you are about to tag and ask, if that were me, would I want to be tagged so the world can see me that way or in that context? Unfortunately, some people have tougher standards than you, me for one probably if I am posting Facebook etiquette out of my opinion that a lot of people I know could use them… meaning I think I am in the minority. Better than envisioning yourself in their shoes, put yourself in their mind and lifestyle and ask yourself if you think they would want to be tagged in whatever way and context, knowing what you know of them and using your best judgment based on that? People are often hesitant to untag themselves, so perhaps be on the safe side and either let them tag themselves (just tell them you have pics up) or ask them if they want to be tagged. I don’t often tag people but when I do, I have reasons, not just because they are there in the pictures. Minimizing tagging might actually be a good practice to keep on Facebook.


Comments are there for all to see, to the extent the place you comment is possible. That is, if the photo you comment on is only available to your Facebook friends or your Facebook friend’s Facebook friends, then your comment is not Googlable. But if the profile or album is public, your comment is also public. Since you can’t possibly know the answer of how public everything on which you comment on might be, take the safest guess that your comments will always be public and comment with caution. Worse than just being public, if you have your Notifications on, people get alerted to the fact you made a comment rather than having to stumble across it by chance of viewing whatever it is you commented on.

Wall comments are especially public. A great suggestion I’ve heard is not to put anything on anybody’s wall you don’t want all their friends to see. If you want to do such a thing, use email.

Swearing, as commonplace as it is now, is definitely not recommended despite its commonality. Compounded by its commonality, are those Net talk acronyms like WTF and LMFAO, that abbreviate the swearing so nobody has to type out the swear words or read it in full writing. Both of these make it very easy and casual to swear in commenting. Thing is, though, if someone didn’t know you well, how might they know you weren’t like that in real life? Yes, Net behaviour and real behaviour are different, but not for everybody. So do you want to risk hiring someone who might swear that much for your babysitter, to be a camp counsellor or give a big scholarship to such a person when there are other students/people eligible?


There are a lot of very questionable applications to be added on Facebook, everything from those of sexual to political to immature nature, to other forms of undesirable behaviour. Some of these collect your information and use it in ways I’d bet you would be appalled at and/or are not healthy for your computer like transmitting viruses or links to unsafe websites. Others are excellent for learning, good fun and/or just a good waste of time. But all will be reflective of you in some way because you chose to accept them to post them on your profile. All I can say about applications is to choose them with care. If you’re finding you’re spending too much time on Facebook, choose applications that are of interest to you by what they provide like a photo of the day on some theme rather than application where you interact with your friends. Interact with your friends in real life. It’s better for you that way. Trust me.

I personally only have applications from which I learn on my profile, or applications that say something about which I am passionate in life of which I am proud to share with the world. And I don’t have interactive applications with friends where I would waste time.

Whatever applications you have, though, I would highly recommend turning off Notifications on them unless it’s something you really want to share, like I do with new books I start reading or have finished and ranked. Not only are most application’s notifications even more meaningless news than stupid comments you might make that pertains perhaps only to a few of your friends and not all your Facebook friends, notifying all your Facebook friends you just bought someone a sex toy via an application, and leaving that announcement on your Wall, doesn’t exactly reflect well on you publicly, either.

Now, as for fear of offending or being “anal” in the eyes of friends for not accepting applications they invited you to join, to give them a cold reaction when they thought of you fondly in sending you the application, forget about it. If your friends are hung up on something that small about you, you don’t have a very strong friendship and joining was not going to strengthen it much more. Work on it in real life!

Groups & Fan Pages

Facebook groups are just like applications in being among the easiest thing most people latch on to without thinking. Unlike applications, you don’t have to tend to them or react to them like a game applicaion so who cares, right? It just appears on a list somewhere among your groups, sometimes you get an email that you can erase, even if it is annoying, but that’s about it. No need to upset someone over it and maybe have it come back on you in person. Yes, but that’s on your end of things. Anyone viewing your profile, including new Facebook friends you add, might have a look and think otherwise. A facebook group expressing sympathy over the death of someone is sympathetic to join and is understandable, but if that someone were a criminal, someone might not see your sympathetic side but rather your criminal associations. And no, that’s not an extreme or silly example. I was asked to join such a group once.

Fan pages are a little different matter in that you choose to join them. They tend to have less potential for harm than the Facebook groups because they are usually bands and such rather than causes that are more of the Facebook group in nature. Causes are great because they raise passions, but passions polarize, and polarizing effects in the wrong way are detrimental. Still, Fan Pages you join might still give the wrong impressions. For example, if you’re an older man who doesn’t seem like they should have a healthy interest in young girl gymnastic stars, to be a fan on some young girl gymnast’s Fan Page may, unfortunately, leads people to draw unfair, but unkind conclusions about you… especially if the Fan Page is just by some other person who is a fan so it is really an unauthorized Fan Page so the contents are suspect just based on the fact it was not authorized! Think about some older guy you know who belongs to the Michael Phelps Fan Page, which seems pretty much to be own by the real Michael Phelps, versus the same guy who is a Fan of an unauthorized Shawn Johnston page. Would you think the same of the two men if you saw their otherwise similar profile?

There are many other aspects of Facebook that I could write about, but they tend to be less obvious and less potentially harmful, so I won’t. The same general rules can apply to them all but the most important thing is that you constantly be self-aware of what you are about to do, and think about what you are about to do, and done, because while prevention is the best cure, correcting the error of your ways to minimize the damage still has value. Take some time to go through your Friends list once in a while. Go through your Photo albums and check their privacy settings to correct any you need to. Look through the Wall-to-wall on those with whom you have had the most exchanges and delete inappropriate comments, and same with photo comments. You don’t have to do it all at once, but perhaps as the chance come up with each person one by one, like the next time you write on someone’s wall, do the Wall-to-wall check on them, and them only. Do it for someone else the next time you write on their wall. Purge your Facebook “friends” list once in a while on people you don’t care much about and/or have very little contact with anyway. Cut it up in pieces by task or periodic reviews. That way, the huge task of “rescreening” your profile is not a monumental task.

I don’t want to be a fear monger and suggest that you may become a victim of poor Facebooking etiquette with big consequences any time soon, but does it have to be a job or scholarship at stake to worry you? What about just the next time you befriend or date someone and add them to your Facebook friend? What would they think of you seeing everything of your Facebooking in the past year or more, not knowing you all that well yet? Do you have a profile that will make a good impression?

Maybe that’s a good place to start considering whether or not you need to change your Facebooking habits. Ask someone, preferably someone who doesn’t know you well, what kind of impression your Facebook profile gives them? If it’s not to your liking and/or not much like you, I think you know the answer to what you’ll need to do.

I hope these posts on Facebooking etiquettes have made you think and have been helpful to you, directly or indirectly to share with someone you know who might have found it useful. If you have questions, please post them as Comments. I will summarize these habits into a much more succinct “guide” this coming weekend, without explanations to keep it short, referencing these posts if people want to know more about the rationale. But the value of the guide is that it would be a working document someone could take as a set of starting points to apply to their Facebooking practice, tweaking those starting points to their liking, without reading through so many words. 🙂

Thank you for reading.

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